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Hi everyone!
I got a pretty good scholarship to my top choice school(MICA!!) but there's still a lot leftover that I'll have to take out big loans for - making a little money this summer would help me a lot, and I'd rather spend my summer making art than something else (:

So are any of you here interested in commissions?
*Character paintings (25.media.tumblr.com/bd665b8d32…, 25.media.tumblr.com/ad5160a17a…, erysium.tumblr.com/image/43488… )with little background would be priced around 50-100$.
*Simple paintings with figures (reluin.deviantart.com/art/scra…, reluin.deviantart.com/art/habi…, reluin.deviantart.com/art/nefe… ) takes about 4 10-hour days for me to make, so I need to charge between 300-500$.
*Complex environments (reluin.deviantart.com/art/Snow…, reluin.deviantart.com/art/Ador… ) vary a lot in how long they take me, depending on that and subject these would be 400-700$

I know that's all higher than typical dA prices, but I have to make at least minimum wage ):

If any of you have any suggestions or input I'd love to hear it!
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:iconhaikai13:
haikai13 Featured By Owner May 25, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Congratulations on the scholarship! You have a ton of potential, and there's a special sense for storytelling in your work. Maybe you should consider becoming a visual development artist for animated films or something. Good luck with everything!
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 29, 2013
Thanks very much, that's so nice of you to say! ^^ I'm so excited to get the chance to keep improving. haha visual development is one of my dream jobs, it would be so much fun but I don't know if I'm creative enough for it. Would sure be fun to try it sometime though!
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littletoucan4 Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
Hmm...A lot of those who purchase commissions here seem to be of the high school to college demographic, who with their low income (usually minimum wage, thus, in the US, roughly nine bucks an hour...like me...) probably would have trouble justifying using a month's worth of wages. Maybe you can check :iconyuumei:'s commission pricing.

By the way, you can host commissions on professional sites, where you can charge more.
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 29, 2013
Hey, sorry it took me a lil while to reply to this!

I really like yuumei's prices, but of course the amount of people she can reach is ridiculously larger and she's more skilled than me, so it's hard to compare ^^; I'm definitely going to try more professional sites too though! Thanks for the help (:
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:icondanillovesfood:
DanilLovesFood Featured By Owner May 19, 2013   Digital Artist
All your prices are fair (:

My thoughts about the scholarship, I think you shouldn't go to MICA. You're far too advanced to learn anything there and I think you'll be wasting your time significantly. Just think about it.

The only thing you would gain there is social contacts which is fun ofcourse, but I think you're smart already to know that in art you have to learn everything yourself by doing it and figuring it out by yourself. People nowadays cant teach you that stuff, it just doesn't work.

Or you need a teacher who is more skilled then you, but nowadays there are no art schools with even decent skilled teachers. It's sad really, because you'll be thinking its quite nice to have a certificate. But believe me when you're done, you'll feel like you've wasted precious time. Because that certificate doesn't mean shit even if you're an capable artist. I get the whole adults/old folks telling you to go to school, but this these are new times. Schools aren't what they seem.

Because skilled people without certificates get the same fulltime-job or can freelance and pay their rent, food and nice things. If you really wanna make it as an artist in this world, I suggest you use all time to work hard on your skills and concepts. Say you want to work at a company, they will only look how good/interesting your work is.

If you want to absorb more knowledge, internet is the only place where you can learn the most. And yes there are a few school installments around the globe that actually can teach you something, but those are very expensive/independent schools. Usually those have a crazy location like Singapore or Japan. Or you have to go hangout at massive black.

I'm not telling you what to do, but I just had to speak my mind for your future. Which regardless is a bright one.

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Keep chillin' like a villain. [link]
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 19, 2013
First, thank you so much for taking the time to write this.
I wish I had this a few months ago, it's a perfect summary of my explanation to my parents why I would never, ever, want an art degree from a less-than-the-best art school.
That said, while MICA isn't quite Art Center(which would've cost 30k a year out of my pocket) or a massive black workshop, it's still a really good school. If I hadn't gotten the great scholarship that I did I wouldn't be going.
Of course I'm not going to sit back and expect knowledge to be poured into my mind, I'm going to be working really hard and I think I can learn a lot there. If it doesn't work, of course I can stop and go somewhere better.
A degree never hurts, and my parents wouldn't support me if I chose not to get one. Working at a school sounds better than working at a part time job (besides the fact that I really do want a degree, it would make me happy.) I think the social contacts you get at school can be vital too, not to have fun and make friends, but to actually get you a job and send work your way.

I completely agree that most learning has to be by yourself, or can be better gotten from online classes, workshops, and mentoring. And I'm planning to do that whenever school gives me the slightest free time (and summer/winter vacations of course). But I think MICA really will be beneficial to me too.
Thanks again for worrying about me enough to type this. (:
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:icondanillovesfood:
DanilLovesFood Featured By Owner May 19, 2013   Digital Artist
No problem and I understand. If you're happy by doing the things you do, then do (: But some things have to be tasted before they could be understood. Maybe you'll see what I mean later on, I wish you greatness. Keep it mean and clean.

(It was the happiest moment of my life when I quit art-school) [link]
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
Yeah that's definitely true, I'll see how I like it this fall!
Glad you were able to make the right decision for yourself ^^
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:iconhyamei:
hyamei Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
first of all, big congrats on getting a scholarship! (and for bryankonietzko liking your work in tumblr! : D )

as for your commissions, I honestly think its good you're not underpricing your work especially seeing how detailed your works are, but like the others have said, I do think that it's gonna be tough getting customers here in DA with that kind of price. just as a suggestion.. maybe you could offer maybe some quick sketchworks too for a slightly lower price? : ) or you could also sell prints of your work too, like in society6, it could be a nice income.
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
Thanks!! I'm so excited about both haha ;v;
Selling sketches is something I'm thinking about for sure. I just have to find a way to make my quick sketches look a little more presentable though first :'D
I hadn't thought much about selling prints actually, I have no idea how lucrative it is if you're not famous. I should do a poll or something to check.. thanks for reminding me of the idea! *v*
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Alberthein1 Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
I'd say those are pretty fair prices for your skill and the effort + resources it costs and keeping in mind that it should atleast top minimum wage for the taken time.
But then again, I'm not that known with such prices.
I might've thought about bying one if I had the space for it.
(Also, I have something against changing currency all the time for art-purchases - I don't completely understand why though..)

I wish you luck with it, and I'm sure you'll manage; Your art iiiiis greeaaat...
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
I might try selling prints too, if there's something particular you like ;v;
I believe changing currency only takes one extra click though, if you're paying online?
Thanks for the support!<33
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:iconidachow:
idachow Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
congrats on MICA!!!
wish i had the $$ :(
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
Thanks! I was really really lucky with scholarships, otherwise it would have been totally impossible. Still, art school is only what you make of it, you can learn just as much at a school with reasonable tuition rates @n@
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eishiya Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think these are fair prices!

Consider having a sketch tier (maybe with very simple colours), something you can do in under an hour and charge $15-25 for. A lot of people just want to see their characters in a specific artist's style rather than something complex and fancy, and would be happy with something quick. Some artists make much more money through quick, cheap commissions like that than through their larger ones. The downside is you probably won't be challenged by them very much, and they'll likely get boring after a while.
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Reluin Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
Thanks for the help, that's a really good insight! You're right, I'll do some experiments with more presentable sketches, that's something I want to try now (: I need to develop my style a bit more anyway, so it could be useful even if it gets a little monotonous ^^
Thanks very much, again!
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:iconebolabears:
EbolaBears Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
Your art is fantastic. Congrats on the school!

Your prices are for physical art or digital?

Also, if no one is going big on the spending, maybe get a part time job and then try to spin some smaller faster commissions. Combined effort to has cash monies fer da skool:bucktooth:

I do not know if Etsy does paintings.

E-Bay?

DA is a terrible place for fair priced commissions. Too many kids selling stuff that do not understand or care what value time and effort has. Don't even mention quality:rofl:
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
Thanks!
It's for digital only, physical art isn't my forte ): I think etsy/ebay are only suited for selling originals, I'd be trying sites that are more about commissions.
Something to think about, yeah. I totally agree about the problem with too many kids undervaluing their work, it's terrible @n@
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:iconliyart:
liyart Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Student
Congrats! I heard they have a good illustration program, good luck!
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
Thanks, I'm super excited about it! I wish I could've found a school with a good entertainment design/concept art program too, but other than that MICA seems perfect to me.
How is art center treating you? You've been doing some really awesome pieces the last few months, so it seems like it must be going well? :D
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:iconliyart:
liyart Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Student
You can always learn concept design later, a lot of the teachers here also teach online iirc. I kinda wish I took some proper painting/illustration classes instead of jumping straight into concept. That said art center has been hate/love haha. I finally made it past the first three terms and got all the fundamentals out of the way, so next term we get to start to do the fun stuff!
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
That's good to keep in mind! I've really been wanting to take some online classes lately anyway.
If you don't mind me asking, what haven't you liked about art center? The price was what made it impossible for me, but it seems like they have such a great program.
Congrats on that, can't wait to see what you get to do next!
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:iconliyart:
liyart Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Student
Mm, most of it has to do with something personal, but I guess one of the things is that in order to graduate on time you'd have to take 6 classes per term. Each teacher assigns a lot of work every week and expects it done to a high degree, which sometimes just isn't possible even with all-nighters. But it's not really about pleasing the teachers, it's about if you can get portfolio work out of the projects, so even if you take 6 classes and do all the work the quality might be lacking etc (called bs work). So a lot of students like myself opt to take 4-5 classes per term and then take one summer filled with academics, any terms over eight is not covered by scholarships iirc so that's another $18k if I want to graduate. Haha fuck..
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
ahh man that's really ridiculous, I'd heard Art Center could be the worst at thinking of their students' needs like that. I hope it's all worth it in the end, your work has improved a lot recently anyway.
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:iconliyart:
liyart Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Student
Thanks, you too! Can't wait to see the work you put out later
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Edarneor Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Hi! :)
I think your lower border prices ($60, $300 and $400) are fair and competitive, but the upper border is quite steep. (I've seen complex environments go for about $450, but not 700)
So as long as you stay in the first half of your price range, you should be fine! :) hope that helps!
good luck with your school!
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
Thanks very much for your thoughts! ^^ I'm looking at professional prices/minimum wage for my time, more than I'm looking at usual pricing amounts, so thanks for letting me know.
Before I open commissions I'll work on speed so that I can be sure to keep everything in the lower range!
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:iconedarneor:
Edarneor Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Happy to help!
That's right, the faster you paint - the more competitive you are :)
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:iconmortmorrison:
MortMorrison Featured By Owner May 16, 2013   Digital Artist
Don't agree with Edarneor. Your prices are absolutely fair. Don't sell yourself under your worth. :-)
Maybe this helps you too. I know it doesn't look very pro, but I'm working with a lot of professional artists too and can approve the prices. [link] orginal from tumblr [link]

I wish you all the best with your art. :-)
Take care
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
I've seen that around, hopefully it's made a few people think a little more about what's 'fair'! Of course, this is more of an 'amateur' site than a 'professional' one.
Thank you very much for the support and help! :)
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:iconebolabears:
EbolaBears Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
I think your prices are in line with reality. Some people might underprice their work to get work or to beat a competitor. It all comes down to what you think your time and talent is worth and what you can get away with while still being satisfied.
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
I think that's the major problem, too many kids underpricing everyone else and then everyone (on certain sites) gets used to underpriced work ): Thanks for your thoughts, again!
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:iconebolabears:
EbolaBears Featured By Owner May 19, 2013
Yes. When DA launched their commission-thing topic too many people were okay with artists not even making minimum wage. I don't know if they're dumb, greedy, or so unaware of what's happening it's sad.
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KayTay89 Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe you could offer something that doesn't take you as long, that way the prices won't seem so high.

Not that your art isn't worth it, but you are trying to appeal to people who are going to use this art for personal reasons. There is no way they are going to make money off of your art like if they were to use it for commercial reasons. Which is why pricing is such a tricky subject. :) Good luck!

I think your character paintings are a good price, and I wouldn't drop any prices but just give more options. :)
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
You're right, I think I'll work a lot more on speed and do a lot more experiments with cheaper options before I open commissions.
That's a good point, I'm going to make sure to advertise more on professional/commercial sites besides here, since these prices are better suited for professional employers;; I'll try to find better options from people on this site who just want personal art though, thanks for mentioning that!

Thank you for all the help!
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whatonearth Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm sure those are reasonable prices in the professional art world but you're looking at the wrong market here. Teens and college students can't afford that. Maybe look somewhere else?
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
Just thought I'd run my thoughts by people here, since (nevertheless the bad demographics for charging a normal rate,) it's still the site where I have the biggest audience. I'll definitely be trying more professional sites too!
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snowy-wish Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I actually think your prices are great. Your art is worth that money, and I see a lot of detail and gorgeous lighting in your samples, asdfasdfasd, wow, hoping you get lots of commisioners!
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
thank you for the support and good wishes! I'm glad you like my work enough to say so ;v;
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:iconedendragon:
EdenDragon Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
goodness you charge a lot.
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
Gotta make at least minimum wage ):
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EdenDragon Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i take it speediness isnt your forte huh xD
those are prices most normal people who buy art will never afford. just saying you're driving away business, not making it.
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
I don't think 4 days or a week for a finished picture is too bad haha. Everything can always be improved on of course though.
Most normal people who buy art on this site at least, I agree. I get what you mean, I'll try to figure something out to make prices more feasible!
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ono-mono Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
Congrats on getting into MICA! Best of luck in your endeavors~
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
Thank you!! I'm so excited for next fall. Hope school is going well for you too ^^
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:iconono-mono:
ono-mono Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
You'll do great! Foundation year is crazy, but makes for awesome stories.

And thank you, school's been kind this semester~ :) So sorry I let that other conversation thread die, but going through all the deviations I've missed, I trust your arm is better? Beautiful work, your environments! <3
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
haha I can't wait to take an art class where I'll have to work hard! ;v;
Glad to hear that, and no worries! I was really lucky, I found a doctor who gave me the opposite advice from every other doctor (and a sort of arm massage) and it was better in 2 weeks. ugh. If you ever get any long-lasting issues with your arms, make sure to get an opinion from a doctor specializing in fascial-tissue manipulation :'D
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TheArtOfEngineering Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
Yea Baltimore! An interesting city to say the least.
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:iconreluin:
Reluin Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
Yeah I'm looking forward to seeing it, I've never been there ;v;
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EbolaBears Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
The waterfront is nice.
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